This is not a representation of the warming effect on the atmosphere that actually takes place in the real world.
There are three paths for energy to be added to the atmosphere as heat. A greenhouse gas (GHG) is only one. Heating by absorption of infrared radiation is the only one we hear about. Another is convection, also called convective heat transfer. This is heating of the atmosphere by the hot surface which is first heated by the sun. Think of a hot beach where the sand heats the air by contact. This heating continues in the absence of CO2 or other GHGs. Removing GHGs (the left side of the chart) would double the direct heating of the surface by the sun during the day (about half the insolation never reaches the ground).
So the chart is not showing the total heating watts but the contribution by GHGs. The convection heat would double yet it gets no mention.
Consider cooking, not only heating. The atmosphere cools by radiation to space because it contains GHGs like CO2. Absent these gases, the atmosphere could not cool, even as the direct heating by the surface increased. This means the atmosphere would have a heating mechanisms but no cooling mechanisms except to transfer heat by contact with the surface at night.
The third mechanism is conduction from the hot surface to the air which is trivial and can be ignored for this discussion.
The bottom line is that all the noise about GHGs is ignoring the fact the atmosphere relies on them to stay cool. Absent GHGs the atmosphere would be continually heated each day with nearly no means of cooling – hot air rises away from the surface! The temperature of the air would rise dramatically in the absence of GHGs. Yes, the contribution by IR radiation would be zero, but convective heat transfer from the surface would approximately double and the near surface air temperature would shoot up.
This how thermal engineers consider a scenario. Not so the IPCC, as they mention IR heating but not the fact IR cooling keeps the temperature down to 15°C. To understand the effect of more or less CO2, it has to be evaluated as a cooling as well as a warming agent.
How is the temperature in an actual greenhouse affected when CO2 is pumped in to increase yield etc? Surely this is the ideal environment to test the computer models that would have us fry if the CO2 content rises any more.
The Ideal Gas Law formulated in the 1800’s shows CO2 cannot hold heat thus is not a cause of global warming. In fact the detailed records show that CO2 in the atmosphere increases after temperatures rise, not before.
The benefit of having more CO2 in the atmosphere is being completely ignored by the current media. Plants can conserve water due to the physiological impact of having more CO2 available, which is resulting in the spread of plants into more arid regions. Finally all the oxygen that we, and all animal life on this planet, need is produced from plants via photosynthesis. More CO2 means more oxygen and more food via more vigorous growth, and the expansion of plant life into more arid regions. Reducing CO2 below 300 ppm causes plants to begin to shut down their photosynthesis, which eventually, if CO2 is driven below 220ppm, means starvation and suffocation, i.e. death. Odd isn’t it that this is missing from the global warming discussion.
The current concentration of CO2 is 430ppm or about 1 molecule per 2500 air molecules. So if that one molecule is pinged by an IR photon, and hypothetically raise its temperature by say 10C. The average temperature of the 2500 would rise by .004C, and doubiing CO2 would raise it .008. Just a thought.
I believe as others here do, that the enthalpy of all the gasses is far more significant. I am not an expert however.
Chanterelle mushroom picking is very good here NW US this September. There was just enough rain and temps are mild. I went this morning and found more than the last three years put together. They were too dry and an early freeze.
I stopped on the way home and picked my limit of oysters at the beach, the first of the season you don’t eat them in Summer.
Then I came home and baked banana nut muffins with applesauce, chocolate chips and oatmeal while I was frying shrooms and oysters. Livin large in Flavor Town. Think I’ll get more shrooms and oysters tomorrow smoke up the oysters with teriyaki make good chow yuk now with fresh chanterelles and stuff from the garden. Could smoke some teriyaki salmon while I got it goin I got a dozen in the freezer from last month. More salmon show up in one month I can catch four a day ten lbs each. Got grapes? I got more grapes than I know what to do with the birds eat most of them and the elk. Got elk? Teriyaki smoked elk T bone and fresh crab fried rice is the best yet. Life is good in Flavor Town another great day to be alive.
We should go back to using the really cheap oil so gas is only fifty cents a gallon. That would bring food prices back down. No more fracking either just drill the big fields with that really cheap oil you can make gas out of. Drill lots and lots of those so we can use all the cheap oil we want to forever and ever amen.
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With regard to the CO2 chart
https://i0.wp.com/electroverse.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/image-84.png?ssl=1
This is not a representation of the warming effect on the atmosphere that actually takes place in the real world.
There are three paths for energy to be added to the atmosphere as heat. A greenhouse gas (GHG) is only one. Heating by absorption of infrared radiation is the only one we hear about. Another is convection, also called convective heat transfer. This is heating of the atmosphere by the hot surface which is first heated by the sun. Think of a hot beach where the sand heats the air by contact. This heating continues in the absence of CO2 or other GHGs. Removing GHGs (the left side of the chart) would double the direct heating of the surface by the sun during the day (about half the insolation never reaches the ground).
So the chart is not showing the total heating watts but the contribution by GHGs. The convection heat would double yet it gets no mention.
Consider cooking, not only heating. The atmosphere cools by radiation to space because it contains GHGs like CO2. Absent these gases, the atmosphere could not cool, even as the direct heating by the surface increased. This means the atmosphere would have a heating mechanisms but no cooling mechanisms except to transfer heat by contact with the surface at night.
The third mechanism is conduction from the hot surface to the air which is trivial and can be ignored for this discussion.
The bottom line is that all the noise about GHGs is ignoring the fact the atmosphere relies on them to stay cool. Absent GHGs the atmosphere would be continually heated each day with nearly no means of cooling – hot air rises away from the surface! The temperature of the air would rise dramatically in the absence of GHGs. Yes, the contribution by IR radiation would be zero, but convective heat transfer from the surface would approximately double and the near surface air temperature would shoot up.
This how thermal engineers consider a scenario. Not so the IPCC, as they mention IR heating but not the fact IR cooling keeps the temperature down to 15°C. To understand the effect of more or less CO2, it has to be evaluated as a cooling as well as a warming agent.
How is the temperature in an actual greenhouse affected when CO2 is pumped in to increase yield etc? Surely this is the ideal environment to test the computer models that would have us fry if the CO2 content rises any more.
The Ideal Gas Law formulated in the 1800’s shows CO2 cannot hold heat thus is not a cause of global warming. In fact the detailed records show that CO2 in the atmosphere increases after temperatures rise, not before.
The benefit of having more CO2 in the atmosphere is being completely ignored by the current media. Plants can conserve water due to the physiological impact of having more CO2 available, which is resulting in the spread of plants into more arid regions. Finally all the oxygen that we, and all animal life on this planet, need is produced from plants via photosynthesis. More CO2 means more oxygen and more food via more vigorous growth, and the expansion of plant life into more arid regions. Reducing CO2 below 300 ppm causes plants to begin to shut down their photosynthesis, which eventually, if CO2 is driven below 220ppm, means starvation and suffocation, i.e. death. Odd isn’t it that this is missing from the global warming discussion.
Allen:
Good comments. CO2’s warming effect is a straight line, not logarithmic. It is also so small that it is undetectable.
Carbonated beverages are good sometime with chow yuk.
The current concentration of CO2 is 430ppm or about 1 molecule per 2500 air molecules. So if that one molecule is pinged by an IR photon, and hypothetically raise its temperature by say 10C. The average temperature of the 2500 would rise by .004C, and doubiing CO2 would raise it .008. Just a thought.
I believe as others here do, that the enthalpy of all the gasses is far more significant. I am not an expert however.
Chanterelle mushroom picking is very good here NW US this September. There was just enough rain and temps are mild. I went this morning and found more than the last three years put together. They were too dry and an early freeze.
I stopped on the way home and picked my limit of oysters at the beach, the first of the season you don’t eat them in Summer.
Then I came home and baked banana nut muffins with applesauce, chocolate chips and oatmeal while I was frying shrooms and oysters. Livin large in Flavor Town. Think I’ll get more shrooms and oysters tomorrow smoke up the oysters with teriyaki make good chow yuk now with fresh chanterelles and stuff from the garden. Could smoke some teriyaki salmon while I got it goin I got a dozen in the freezer from last month. More salmon show up in one month I can catch four a day ten lbs each. Got grapes? I got more grapes than I know what to do with the birds eat most of them and the elk. Got elk? Teriyaki smoked elk T bone and fresh crab fried rice is the best yet. Life is good in Flavor Town another great day to be alive.
We should go back to using the really cheap oil so gas is only fifty cents a gallon. That would bring food prices back down. No more fracking either just drill the big fields with that really cheap oil you can make gas out of. Drill lots and lots of those so we can use all the cheap oil we want to forever and ever amen.
Bring back cheap gas and big fins !! No more speed limits drive 120mph again like the good ol days peddle to the frickin medal.
https://images.craigslist.org/00808_aYtR4PVVcXq_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg
Driving 120mph stimulates testosterone production in the male body. I don’t think the globalists want that happening.
Snow blankets California, you can watch the vid of the California ski area on fire to see how bad the snowstorm was from global cooling from GSM. What GSM? No chart fake news BS.
https://www.powder.com/news/bridge-fire-mountain-high-video
The cold times are returning there where thousands of folks were evacuated running for their lives from the out of control wildfires from the record heat from solar flares.
Last solar storm pushed TCI up to new max of 33.5 showing how not GSM it is :
https://www.spaceweather.com/images2024/18sep24/TCI_Daily_NO_Power_Percentiles.png
Cali temp forecast warmer than ave, no cooling there they had a cold snap from volcanos from solar flares.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno/93702/september-weather/327144
Hey Deb I was nice till you were so rude now I won’t be nice to you ever again. Never. NEVER AGAIN.
Dirk, behave.
Ok, Dirk. If you change your mind, you can find me at Artistforum.com.
-Deb