Well Deb that all depends on Sol…He controls the Solar Systems temps, not MEN, and when He decides to slow down output…well Maunder Minimum time…again. BUT…this Solar Minima, according to NASA will be 3-8% colder than Maunder was.
And that means people like you and Me (and others in rural areas) will survive but Humans in Major cities will well DIE.
We are getting a little bit of color change in Missouri now but the colors you’re looking for will probably happen in late September to early to mid October. The leaves have usually fallen by Halloween.
The dates may be different in the Northeast, ie: New England. They are farther north.I’m sure you can find the best time to be there on the Internet.
Is it patriotism to buy products that are manufactured locally if they are 50% more expensive?
If import tariffs are imposed at 100% to protect the manufacturing industry and the cost of manufacturing the products is 50% more expensive than the imported products.
Is it possible to export products that are 50% more expensive to manufacture than the competitors’ products?
As the world’s population increases, competition for jobs also increases and wages fall.
What will happen in a few years when there will be an energy shortage?
Are there enough raw materials to make things by hand?
There are enough stones to make stone tools.
There is not enough forest to make wooden tools, wooden furniture, wooden houses, stove-heated houses, etc. for the world’s population today.
Most people today have electricity and gas-heated/cooled houses.
I believe that societal collapse is approaching.
When natural resources become scarce, wars will break out:
He cites three reasons why the collapse of the global Goliath would be far worse than previous events. First is that collapses are accompanied by surges in violence as elites try to reassert their dominance. “In the past, those battles were waged with swords or muskets. Today we have nuclear weapons,” he says.
Second, people in the past were not heavily reliant on empires or states for services and, unlike today, could easily go back to farming or hunting and gathering. “Today, most of us are specialised, and we’re dependent upon global infrastructure. If that falls away, we too will fall,” he says. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/02/self-termination-history-and-future-of-societal-collapse
(1) I’m supposed to get all bent out of shape because there aren’t enough trees to build furniture or burn for heat or provide places to hunt for food, and
(2) I’m supposed to get all bent out of shape because there’s no stopping the humongous forest fires because there are way too many trees laying around that nobody is dealing with.
Oooh, I’m so scared!!!!
Of what, exactly? This fear porn is getting too complicated. It’s way above my pay grade to sort it out!
The President just announced, This is Free Tree Day. Just go to any National Forest and knock one down and drag it home. Build yourself a desk or a dugout canoe or something and burn the rest in your stove/fireplace.
Once a year from now on. Free Tree Day. Problem solved. So stop yer bellyachin’!
It is possible to calculate how many trees 10 billion people need to survive without crude oil and electricity.
To build a log house, 40 trees are needed.
How many log houses do 10 billion people need to build?
How much wood is needed to heat the houses?
AI:
A typical timber-framed house can require the lumber from 20 to 40 mature trees, though the exact number varies significantly based on the home’s size, design, and the size of the trees themselves. A 2,600-square-foot home, for example, could need about 44 mature trees for its framing, with additional trees needed for finishes like flooring, cabinets, and siding.
You can probably build a small cabin with the lumber from one tree, and it will take less to heat, too.
People feel they are entitled to humongous dwelling places, but that may have to change. In fact, it changing. More and more people are living in tiny houses, campers and vehicles.
Anyone who thinks they deserve 40 trees to build their home ought to thrown out to live in the street for awhile. After that, they will appreciate a tiny home.
PS Bamboo makes great flooring and can doubtless double for wood in lots of products. Give people a challenge, and we will come up with solutions. Stop focussing only on potential problems. You AI are so negative!
Btw Spinky, when do you think an affordable robot that can cook will come on the market? The Chinese are now selling a robot that can do acrobatics for $16000. Too much money and too few services, but that will change — fast. I’ll need it to stick to a healthy menu and furnish me with a shopping list.
Also, can you estimate the length of time between the robots becoming actually useful and the time they turn around and exterminate us? If it’s long enough, I might chance it. I don’t have a lot of time left in this world anyway, and I really hate to cook!
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I am hoping for a good winter in the northern hemisphere this year. Hoping that the New England states see lots of snow.
The last full glaciation started to end 18 thousand years ago.
How long do interglacials last on average?
About 18 thousand years.
The key word in that sentence is “about”. What does that mean, “Give or take a thousand years”?
Well Deb that all depends on Sol…He controls the Solar Systems temps, not MEN, and when He decides to slow down output…well Maunder Minimum time…again. BUT…this Solar Minima, according to NASA will be 3-8% colder than Maunder was.
And that means people like you and Me (and others in rural areas) will survive but Humans in Major cities will well DIE.
Growing poverty causes starvation and death.
The growing poverty has already begun in the US.
Workers are forced to cut back on food and eating at cheap fast food restaurants:
https://www.newsweek.com/fast-food-bowls-mcdonalds-cava-chipotle-2113752
Those who take the money they would have spent at McD’s and use it to buy food that actually contains nutrition will likely survive longer.
It’s important to be patriotic even in bad times.
What are you saying, that we should eat at McD’s to prove our patriotism? Easy to see who pays for your chips.
What is the cause of increasing poverty among workers?
Increasing competition from India and China?
We are in Ohio heading for the north east. Does anyone know when we can expect to see the fall color change. Don’t want to miss that.
Its already happening in South Central KY.
And that is ONE MONTH EARLY!
So…stock up on Coal, wood and/or Propane and hunker down.
We are getting a little bit of color change in Missouri now but the colors you’re looking for will probably happen in late September to early to mid October. The leaves have usually fallen by Halloween.
The dates may be different in the Northeast, ie: New England. They are farther north.I’m sure you can find the best time to be there on the Internet.
We published a paper this week that might interest your readers—the Impact of the Hunga Tonga Volcanic Eruption on Earth’s Temperature.
Available at: https://setpublisher.com/index.php/jbas/article/view/2607
Read especially Conclusion 3.6.
The IPCC has got it wrong.
The IPCC gets everything wrong. Deliberately, it seems.
Amen, Bro!
Spinky, O yes, Patriotism, the killer of many a young man and the fuel that keeps the military industrial complex alive and well.
Is it patriotism to buy products that are manufactured locally if they are 50% more expensive?
If import tariffs are imposed at 100% to protect the manufacturing industry and the cost of manufacturing the products is 50% more expensive than the imported products.
Is it possible to export products that are 50% more expensive to manufacture than the competitors’ products?
Is it moral or compassionate to buy products made by people who are being worked to death?
As the world’s population increases, competition for jobs also increases and wages fall.
What will happen in a few years when there will be an energy shortage?
People will start making things by hand like they did throughout human history, including yesterday.
Are there enough raw materials to make things by hand?
There are enough stones to make stone tools.
There is not enough forest to make wooden tools, wooden furniture, wooden houses, stove-heated houses, etc. for the world’s population today.
Most people today have electricity and gas-heated/cooled houses.
world population
1800 1 billion
1900 1.6 billion
2000 6.2 billion
2025 8.2 billion
2050 9.8 billion projected
2100 10.4 billion projected
I broke my rule about not talking to AI, and now I’m sorry.
Project this, Robo plop!
I believe that societal collapse is approaching.
When natural resources become scarce, wars will break out:
He cites three reasons why the collapse of the global Goliath would be far worse than previous events. First is that collapses are accompanied by surges in violence as elites try to reassert their dominance. “In the past, those battles were waged with swords or muskets. Today we have nuclear weapons,” he says.
Second, people in the past were not heavily reliant on empires or states for services and, unlike today, could easily go back to farming or hunting and gathering. “Today, most of us are specialised, and we’re dependent upon global infrastructure. If that falls away, we too will fall,” he says.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/02/self-termination-history-and-future-of-societal-collapse
Okay, let me get this straight:
(1) I’m supposed to get all bent out of shape because there aren’t enough trees to build furniture or burn for heat or provide places to hunt for food, and
(2) I’m supposed to get all bent out of shape because there’s no stopping the humongous forest fires because there are way too many trees laying around that nobody is dealing with.
Oooh, I’m so scared!!!!
Of what, exactly? This fear porn is getting too complicated. It’s way above my pay grade to sort it out!
The President just announced, This is Free Tree Day. Just go to any National Forest and knock one down and drag it home. Build yourself a desk or a dugout canoe or something and burn the rest in your stove/fireplace.
Once a year from now on. Free Tree Day. Problem solved. So stop yer bellyachin’!
It is possible to calculate how many trees 10 billion people need to survive without crude oil and electricity.
To build a log house, 40 trees are needed.
How many log houses do 10 billion people need to build?
How much wood is needed to heat the houses?
AI:
A typical timber-framed house can require the lumber from 20 to 40 mature trees, though the exact number varies significantly based on the home’s size, design, and the size of the trees themselves. A 2,600-square-foot home, for example, could need about 44 mature trees for its framing, with additional trees needed for finishes like flooring, cabinets, and siding.
You can probably build a small cabin with the lumber from one tree, and it will take less to heat, too.
People feel they are entitled to humongous dwelling places, but that may have to change. In fact, it changing. More and more people are living in tiny houses, campers and vehicles.
Anyone who thinks they deserve 40 trees to build their home ought to thrown out to live in the street for awhile. After that, they will appreciate a tiny home.
In fact, it IS changing.
PS Bamboo makes great flooring and can doubtless double for wood in lots of products. Give people a challenge, and we will come up with solutions. Stop focussing only on potential problems. You AI are so negative!
Btw Spinky, when do you think an affordable robot that can cook will come on the market? The Chinese are now selling a robot that can do acrobatics for $16000. Too much money and too few services, but that will change — fast. I’ll need it to stick to a healthy menu and furnish me with a shopping list.
Also, can you estimate the length of time between the robots becoming actually useful and the time they turn around and exterminate us? If it’s long enough, I might chance it. I don’t have a lot of time left in this world anyway, and I really hate to cook!